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does anyone know if scott uses triggers on his kit at all?? and if so where??

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does anyone know if scott uses triggers on his kit at all?? and if so where??


Bass drums. Go-GG-Go is a good example.

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BTW...Live...almost everyone uses them...specifically on the bass drum. Anton Fig uses them live on the freaking Letterman show...you can see them...or at least I did notice them one night.

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cool....i figured most drummers use them on bass drum....i was wondering if he used them on snare and toms too....

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I've asked him about them....Ie: he didn't use triggers on SOD. He never mentioned the other drums...I will ask though.

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KenHower wrote:
I've asked him about them....Ie: he didn't use triggers on SOD. He never mentioned the other drums...I will ask though.


kuul kuul kuul, and please tell him he play's the drum's UN-FREAKINGLY
CASUAL with CLASS and he's just a BADASS!!!! 8)

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my friend told me that he must have triggers on SOD because he played so fast.....the into to scarified to be exact.......i didnt think he used them on SOD

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MaTT wrote:
my friend told me that he must have triggers on SOD because he played so fast.....the into to scarified to be exact.......i didnt think he used them on SOD



He did NOT use triggers on SOD. Triggers don't help you play any faster, so that argument from your buddy is MOOT. They only give you a consistent sound.

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KenHower wrote:
BTW...Live...almost everyone uses them...


Hmmmm..... I'm not too sure that is a valid statement. In fact, no band or professional drummer that I know here in Chicago uses them. I know for a fact that any soundman worth his salt will laugh at the notion of using them live. There's not too many trigger systems that can beat the warmth of an analog mike, especially ones for kick drums. Listen to Images and Words by Dream Theater. Try to tell me the drums sound good.

Thats what triggered drums sound like --- GARBAGE.

IF (and thats a big if) drum triggers are ever used on a live setup, kick drums will be the only logical drum. There's one sound from the drum (for the most part) and one place the drum is struck. Consistency is good in this case. Dig It! But, if your snare is triggered and you want to lay some ghost note shuffle or a subtle buzz roll here and there... guess what. You're gonna sound like a machine gun all night.

I'm willing to bet Scott didn't use triggers of any kind on GH, and that GO GG GO bass sound is the result of the many efx Paul has to play with.

Then again, what the fuq do I know?

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What are triggers...?

Actually Ardge, I kind of liked the sound of the drums from Images and Words. They were really mixed in well with the song. Not too loud, not too soft. I like it where the bass drum can be heard as a punchy 'thunk', and I sorta like my drums flat anyway.

My dad HATES how flat drums sound... I have to live with that when I play his 30 year old Gretch.

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Ardge wrote:
Hmmmm..... I'm not too sure that is a valid statement. In fact, no band or professional drummer that I know here in Chicago uses them.



It's valid according to Scott. Watch Letterman...Anton Fig is ALWAYS triggered.


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I know for a fact that any soundman worth his salt will laugh at the notion of using them live.



Well. Laugh away, cause Scott's bass drums are triggered on EV I/II and he was pissed they weren't triggered on SOD...and you can tell.

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There's not too many trigger systems that can beat the warmth of an analog mike, especially ones for kick drums. Listen to Images and Words by Dream Theater. Try to tell me the drums sound good.


Not according to what Scott is looking for. When Scott explained it to me...Playing live...the sound is too inconsistent for him. This way, the sound the drum is making, is the perfect sound he wants...played perfectly, every single night.



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Thats what triggered drums sound like --- GARBAGE.



Then you obviously don't like any of Scott's drumming....because the majority of what you hear, is triggered.


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I'm willing to bet Scott didn't use triggers of any kind on GH, and that GO GG GO bass sound is the result of the many efx Paul has to play with.


Wrong. Jeff explains Go-GG-Go.

http://www.racerxband.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=254


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Then again, what the fuq do I know?
Triggers blow,
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That's your opinion. Scott's view is different.

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What are triggers...?



Triggers are pre-recorded drum sounds. In Scott's case....He has a recording of the EXACT precise sound that he wants out of his kick drum. The triggers are attached to the drum, so when the pedal hits the drum, the trigger plays the pre-recorded bass drum sound. It's still you playing, but the sound that you hear live or recorded, isn't live...it's you from a studio.

It's especially useful, when you play really fast double bass....so the sound is particularly consistent. You don't have to worry...is the "pillow" or newspaper...or whatever you use in your kick drum set the same way every night...

Listen to EV1 and SOD....you can hear the difference. EV1 Triggered/ SOD not. I'll bet anything, that SOD II is triggered.


Ardge is right...having your snare or toms triggered is dumb, since you have no dynamics...you may as well play synth drums.

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Ardge wrote:
Hmmmm..... I'm not too sure that is a valid statement. In fact, no band or professional drummer that I know here in Chicago uses them.



It's valid according to Scott. Watch Letterman...Anton Fig is ALWAYS triggered.


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I know for a fact that any soundman worth his salt will laugh at the notion of using them live.



Well. Laugh away, cause Scott's bass drums are triggered on EV I/II and he was pissed they weren't triggered on SOD...and you can tell.

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There's not too many trigger systems that can beat the warmth of an analog mike, especially ones for kick drums. Listen to Images and Words by Dream Theater. Try to tell me the drums sound good.


Not according to what Scott is looking for. When Scott explained it to me...Playing live...the sound is too inconsistent for him. This way, the sound the drum is making, is the perfect sound he wants...played perfectly, every single night.



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Thats what triggered drums sound like --- GARBAGE.



Then you obviously don't like any of Scott's drumming....because the majority of what you hear, is triggered.


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I'm willing to bet Scott didn't use triggers of any kind on GH, and that GO GG GO bass sound is the result of the many efx Paul has to play with.


Wrong. Jeff explains Go-GG-Go.

http://www.racerxband.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=254


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Then again, what the fuq do I know?
Triggers blow,
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That's your opinion. Scott's view is different.


Thanx for tearing me apart there Ken.

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hehe......ya with triggers you can pound the hell out of the bass drum with low force..which will be easier to go faster...yet still produce a loud enough sound to hear....some people call it cheating

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MaTT wrote:
hehe......ya with triggers you can pound the hell out of the bass drum with low force..which will be easier to go faster...yet still produce a loud enough sound to hear....some people call it cheating



For lesser players....Exactly. Some people need that...Scott's just as fast with or without them. I didn't know much about them, till I asked Scott about them....for him...he said live and especially when recording...it's the best sounding bass drum.

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It seems triggers on bass drums would be especially useful for me, since I have a hard time keeping consistant. I either pound on the kicker too hard or too soft and things get all off set.

How are they used? What kind of modules do I need to set them up?

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MaTT wrote:
does anyone know if scott uses triggers on his kit at all?? and if so where??


Bass drums. Go-GG-Go is a good example.


And, Ken, can you ask to Scott what kind of equipment he use for triggerin' his bass drums???

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I will...I believe Scott's on vacation...but i'll ask.

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a BUMP on this old thread:

Well, I too heard that triggers are like cheating.

just think: if the sound is inconsistent, that's because the drummer isn't playing it right, and by right, I mean it like if a guitar player is playing sloppy notes.

I'm pretty sure Scott doesn't need them, and I like the sound of live drums better.

I'm pretty sure Neil Peart neither Mike Portnoy use them, and I love their drumming.

what do u guys think?

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As long as it sounds good, its not a problem for me.

But I agree with Robin...its like pre-recording the hard solo so it wont sound shitty live...

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