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 PGM500 --- TZ or Paf Pro?!?! 
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/ ... MG0933.jpg

all pickups are original, with gold poles...
the bridge pickup looks like a Paf Pro instead of a TZ
but it sounds very much like the TZ in my 301 and 90ham, not even close to the Paf Pro in the 300, and every website says the pgm500 comes with TZ
owners of PGM500's... does the TZ in your 500 looks like mine or the normal TZ with 6 flat screwheads?


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Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:15 am
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Could be a super distortion, they have those type of pole pieces.

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just ship the guitar to me and leme uh...... try it....out...for a little bit... and ill tell ya after when im done :twisted:

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Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 am
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any PGM500 owners? same thing with your PGM500?
Eddie?


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its humbucker from hell.......thats stock bridge....my PGM 500 looks the same.

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the neck pickup is humbucker from hell...
the bridge pickup is humbucker from hell too?
it doesnt sound like a humbucker from hell...


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ya sorry.....tone zone in bridge......HFH in neck...

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yer. thats what im talking about
it doesnt look like a TZ, it looks like a Paf Pro and HFH


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I'm tellin ya, it's probably a super distortion! You said it sounds more like a TZ and less like a PAF Pro.

I'd say a Super Dist, and HFH.


Whats an easy way to find out? Serial # maybe?

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any other pgm500 owner?
may be some pics of your pgm500?


Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:06 am
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I had this same discussion with someone a few weeks ago when I showed him my 500. I didn't feel like taking the strings off and taking the pickup out and seeing if there is a number on it, so we metered the pickup, and it was exactly the same as a Tone Zone spec in the Diamrzio catalog, even though it has the gold hex pole pieces on both sides. And, honestly, it sounds exactly like the TZ I put in my PGM30, same characteristics. I know some 500s had "regular" Tone Zone pickups with flathead screw pole pieces on one side only, but there are clearly many of these out there with the gold pole pieces that look like a Super D or PAF Pro or whatever.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe the first year or 2 of the PGM500 had "prototype" Tone Zone pups before they offered them as a stand alone pickup - but I don't know what year Dimarzio introduced the TZ for sale.

I've actaully been meaning to bring this up as a discussion on the PGMsite boards.

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I checked under the pups for model numbers on mine. The neck is a HFH for sure. The bridge pup has no ID markings but sounds just like the neck pup, so I am assuming it is another HFH.


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I had always assumed that, too, although I never actually looked at them, they seemed pretty similar. Actually, I don't know if you remember, Eddie, but I sent you a question about that over on the PGMsite when I first got it, I had a few other issues with it, too (poor f-hole finish, string ferrules were funny) - I use the same name over there. Which, by the way, I completely agree with what you told me at the time and this is the best guitar I own, sounds awesome plugged in, and it's by far the best sounding Ibanez I have when playing unplugged. :D

Anyway, when we metered them a few weeks ago, and the HFH is less than 1/3 the resistance of the TZ, we pretty much got the catalog number dead on for the TZ (17.31K) and very close for the HFH (5.82K) - which actually surprised me quite a bit. I don't think there was anything else in the catalog that was close to the 17.31 for the TZ except the Air Zone, which I don't think they had back then, and the Steve's Special and Breed Bridge, which wouldn't make sense, I don't think. I don't know if there were some others in 1995 that may have been comparable, though, but it does happen to read the same as the Tone Zone, and, to me, sounds a lot like the other one I use.

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yep! it sounds very similar to the TZ in my 301 too...
may be we both post the serial number and that should tell us something about what year it was made and all that stuff?


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Okay. Mine's F607143, so it's a '96.

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Mine's F345008


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Well, those are quite different years. I didn't even realize they made them in 1993 - they aren't in the 93 USA catalog. This kills my theory, though, because the 1994 and 1995 catalog clearly shows a "standard" Tone Zone in the picture (although the one Paul is holding in the 1994 cat has the gold ones), and mine is a 1996 - although I'm not the first or even the 2nd owner. And, I believe in the 1996 cat, Paul is holding the same one he was in the 94, with the gold poles, but I'm only looking at the scan below, and I can't tell for sure. BTW props to IbanezRules.com for the catalog scans...

http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1994/94009.jpg
http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1995/95012.jpg
http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1996/96015.jpg

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in the 94 and 95 catalog... the 500 in the pic that shows the bridge has the standard TZ
i double checked the serial number on my 500... and the serial is F345008
i didn't type it wrong... so it's made in 1993 :!: :?:
any expert here that knows the story?


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Yup.

F345008
F = Factory of production (Japan)
3 = 1993
45008 = 45008th guitar manufactured in 1993


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So, since the 1993 catalog doesn't have the PGM500 (or any PGMs for that matter), does that mean it's a "1994" model that was manufactured in 1993 (wouldn't be the first time I've seen this from Ibanez), or were the 500s available in Japan in 1993? Of course I always that that catalog was kind of funny anyway, because it has a pic on like the first page of Paul with a PGM300 in his lap, but that guitar isn't in the catalog.

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