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Wow, that was awesome.

I thought it was....

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E------------------------------||
B------------------------------||
G-------------9-------------o--||
D--9--10--12-----12--10-----o--||
A------------------------------||
E------------------------------||


Or maybe thats just me. :?

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I think the picking is important here. Not the notes. Even if you play it as something like:

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|---------7------|
|--7-8-9---9-8--|


In the end, it will all come down to the picking.


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I got the picking down fine, maybe some more speed is needed. I need to work on my left hand. Good thing I've been trying this lick the past couple weeks. *beginner's pride*

I'm even more happy with how I got Paul's Ex-2 from that Young Guitar DVD with Marty Friedman. I am baffled with how I got it right :lol:

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Damn Brono lol we gotta bring PG to this contest now!!!

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Pao wrote:
I think the picking is important here. Not the notes. Even if you play it as something like:

Code:
|---------7------|
|--7-8-9---9-8--|


In the end, it will all come down to the picking.


Exactly.


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MissMisstreater wrote:
lol, what happened to it not being about speed?

who were you kidding... speed is EVERYTHING!!!

guitars not a competition... its a war!!!


Ha Ha! :D

BRONO!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I can proudly say i've met the legendary Brono (and maybe he'll send me an autograph... :wink: )

Yeah, when it got to about half way I was like damn, then I realised he was going to get faster!

Kirkpetrucci was double sick also!


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The thing about that exercise is if i go it the PG way starting with downstroke so im doing an upstroke on next string i can do it pretty fast. But if i start with upstroke so im not using outside picking i can go much faster. I try to be able to do it with outside picking though. Does anybody else have trouble with the outside picking and use inside?


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gmoney3 wrote:
The thing about that exercise is if i go it the PG way starting with downstroke so im doing an upstroke on next string i can do it pretty fast. But if i start with upstroke so im not using outside picking i can go much faster. I try to be able to do it with outside picking though. Does anybody else have trouble with the outside picking and use inside?


I dunno.. But outside/inside picking is applicable only to starting licks.. But not for very long licks, coz in the end if you're a strict alternate picker, you WILL be playing outside/inside picking a lot. I mean example of starting with outside picking that has insie picking:

Code:
|----------------7--------------|
|---------7-9-10---10-9-7-------|
|--7-9-10-----------------10-9--|


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Yes you are right, but if you are just doing that 4 note lick, it is much easier to just do inside for me, but that's not the point of the lick. A lot of people can do that 4 note lick way faster doing upstroke to start.


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Yes you are right, but if you are just doing that 4 note lick, it is much easier to just do inside for me, but that's not the point of the lick. A lot of people can do that 4 note lick way faster doing upstroke to start.


Ahh yes yes.. I start it this way though, I still start with a downstroke, but I start the lick differently :wink:

Code:
|-----------------|
|--7--------------|
|----10-9-7-9-10--|


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I am also curious how fast people can play this lick cleanly


E|--5-------------------5-7--5-7-5---5-8-7-8-7-5----|
B|-----8-6-5----5-6-8--------------8----------------8--|
G|-------------7----------------------------------------|

and repeat it over and over.

The pattern he uses from the arpeggio part from scarified at the end but he shows to do that in practice to get the pattern down.


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lol 175 bpm i tried to Kill myself kill myself kill myself Kiiillllllll myyyysseeellffff

i cant get it as clean as brono tho

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... A26E6300D3

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Zae wrote:
Wow, that was awesome.

I thought it was....

Code:
E------------------------------||
B------------------------------||
G-------------9-------------o--||
D--9--10--12-----12--10-----o--||
A------------------------------||
E------------------------------||


Or maybe thats just me. :?


actually I think it matters.

I can actually pick faster than I can fret. (thanks to my hours of playing eruption as fast as I can)

and I think I go faster if I pick something using my 1st 2nd and 3rd finger on my fret hand

using the 1st 3rd and 4th makes it harder. fingers are weaker

so to me:

|---------7------|
|--7-8-9---9-8-- is much easier to control than

B------------------------------||
G-------------9-------------o--||
D--9--10--12-----12--10-----o--||
A------------------------------||
E------------------------------||

so I reckon we should all agree to fingerings,

otherwise I might as well fret two strings and just pick three times the lower string and hit once the higher string, and not worry at all about the fretting hand.


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When it comes to picking here's something I noticed.. Try doing this.. Do the Gilbert picking for that lick, except instead of hitting any fretted notes, just hit the harmonics per string.

Most of the time it's gonna sound this way 3 hits on the lower string (then 1 quick hit on the lower string in transition to the next) then 1 hit on the next string.

Thanks to the fretted notes, we get to MUTE that quick hit on the lower string in transition to the next. That's how I play it though, I don't totally skip the string. When I'm playing slow, I skip through it of course, but when it's too fast, I don't have enough time to completely skip over the string so I sometimes hit it muted.. That's why I think I suck at speed picking :lol: But I'm pretty sure others are doing it unintentionally as well..


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Great playing KirkPetrucci and Brono!

I am just getting used to alternate picking (inside/outside and everything in between) and right now i'm pretty happy with it. Still no Brono though. :P

Gmoney, I know EXACTLY what you're talking about and i'm sure it is easier for anyone to start on an upstroke. I'm sure alt pickers of the world are just so used to outside picking that they are comfortable doing either style.

Acid Wire, LUCKY! My fretting hand is probably twice as fast/developed as my picking hand. And my picking hand doesn't suck or anything, it's getting there!

When it comes to the lick

Rusty Cooley owns

Code:
E-------------------------------||
B-------------------------------||
G----------------------------o--||
D--9--10--12--14--12--10-----o--||
A-------------------------------||
E-------------------------------||


Take THAT outside picking! :twisted:

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actually I think it matters.

I can actually pick faster than I can fret. (thanks to my hours of playing eruption as fast as I can)

and I think I go faster if I pick something using my 1st 2nd and 3rd finger on my fret hand

using the 1st 3rd and 4th makes it harder. fingers are weaker

so to me:

|---------7------|
|--7-8-9---9-8-- is much easier to control than

B------------------------------||
G-------------9-------------o--||
D--9--10--12-----12--10-----o--||
A------------------------------||
E------------------------------||

so I reckon we should all agree to fingerings,

otherwise I might as well fret two strings and just pick three times the lower string and hit once the higher string, and not worry at all about the fretting hand.


The fingerings dont make a difference to me, i can play them all the same. in the clip i posted on the second last speed i play up through the diferent fingerings anyway.

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Same, once you start to practice alot, the fingerings really don't make any difference.

BTW, you don't always have to switch inside/outside. If you do this lick:

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--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------8---------------9-10-12-etc.
---------8---------------8-10-12-8-10-12---12-10-8-10-12------------
-8-10-12---12-10-8-10-12--------------------------------------------


Start with a down, no inside picking and vice versa.

Fingerin' don't matta if you practice with all da fingas and all da tricky picky! :roll:


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Weird, am I the only one who has far more trouble with inside picking than with outside picking? Perhaps I am doing something wrong but I can't do that lick fast at all when I start with an upstroke.

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Weird, am I the only one who has far more trouble with inside picking than with outside picking? Perhaps I am doing something wrong but I can't do that lick fast at all when I start with an upstroke.


no, if you start that lick with an upstroke you start it on the high note.
and if you start the lick with a down stroke you start on the lowest note.

in the end the picking is exactly the same just a different starting point.

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ßrono wrote:
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Weird, am I the only one who has far more trouble with inside picking than with outside picking? Perhaps I am doing something wrong but I can't do that lick fast at all when I start with an upstroke.


no, if you start that lick with an upstroke you start it on the high note.
and if you start the lick with a down stroke you start on the lowest note.

in the end the picking is exactly the same just a different starting point.


What? this doesn't make sense to me. Of course the picking is different whether you start on upstroke or downstroke. He is saying if he starts with upstroke its hard for him since he's not good at inside picking. A lot of people have trouble with inside picking, in petrucci's rock discipline video he has a section on it because he's not good at it either.


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