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 How much album has racer x sold?? 
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I do download music and have downloaded racer x albums. Of course that was only to use until I tracked down the Racer X albums I didn't have.

If I really like an album I downloaded I will buy it. I've bought plenty of albums I never would have bought if I didn't download them and hear them first.

Same thing goes for software unless I can't afford the software. If I can't afford it I probably don't need it though.

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i know racer x hasn't sold a lot of albums, but i am happy to be one of the only people at my school who will be blaring second heat on my way into the school parking lot every day. i'll show those emo kids some real music :D

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KenHower wrote:
I really and truly, fail to see the entitlement to get something for free and not pay for it.....People buy cars all the time that they end up not liking, because they didn't do their research or for whatever reason. You don't feel entitled to a free car, but you feel entitled to a new piece of software.


Car sharing is rubbish anyway. You drive in, park your old car and look around at all the stuff on offer, but they're all always locked! And there's never any salesmen about :?

And the ultimate kick in the teeth is when you drive your old car out of the place, they try and charge you for looking around! :evil:

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I used to download music from an artist just to check them out if I knew OF them but I haven't heard anything by them. But with the explosion of places like Youtube and Myspace's Music section I can usually hear a lot of music and buy albums I wouldn't have bought otherwise without downloading the songs.

I wouldn't own Steve Vai's Real Illusions if I hadn't heard Building The Church, Firewall and Lotus Feet on Myspace..... So sometimes downloading music end's up being beneficial for an artist, but then again I guess not everyone feels they have an obligation to delete the files or buy the album like I do.....

:mrgreen:

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dimentor wrote:
SambaBoy wrote:
KenHower wrote:
SambaBoy wrote:
I've been wondering about this for some while as well...

lol, they decerve so much more sales that this... My favourite band....



Now you know why we all blow a gasket, when someone wants to download for free.


Yea.....

FUCKING LAME FILESHARING DEVELOPERS.... lol, I can't imagine how little sales my band/bands will have if they ever get signed...


mmmmm........they do serve a purpose. Stuff like Software, im all for sharing that. They dont deserve £50 for a game and they have been charging that since long before Internet file sharing so fuck em. Its not like there is any quality control either. You can spend £50 on a game, take it home and its shit. Same for recording software. Some of it costs like £400 for a program, they can kiss it.

Unfortunately it hits bands as well

Wow. How hypocritical are you?


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Oodles wrote:
I wouldn't own Steve Vai's Real Illusions if I hadn't heard Building The Church, Firewall and Lotus Feet on Myspace..... So sometimes downloading music end's up being beneficial for an artist, but then again I guess not everyone feels they have an obligation to delete the files or buy the album like I do.....

:mrgreen:


I totally agree. I've bought many CD's that I wouldn't have because I heard a couple songs. It's too bad...in the "old" days...you could count on radio to hear stuff....now adays....radio is so formula driven, you have to move to other sources to hear stuff.

I've never used Itunes....can you listen to Itunes prior to purchasing??

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I think they are 30 second samples


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See...I wish there was a site...that had a MASSIVE collection of songs....where you could compile a list of those songs yourself...and play them ...the WHOLE song. Not download....but just listen. Like...a custom radio channel....

Then...you could favorite your songs and let the site, like Amazon...compile all the songs by those artists so you could hear more....and then you could buy individual songs or the whole CD.

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Propose that idea to Amazon, iTunes and such....you never know.


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KenHower wrote:
See...I wish there was a site...that had a MASSIVE collection of songs....where you could compile a list of those songs yourself...and play them ...the WHOLE song. Not download....but just listen. Like...a custom radio channel....

Then...you could favorite your songs and let the site, like Amazon...compile all the songs by those artists so you could hear more....and then you could buy individual songs or the whole CD.



The problem with allowing just listening is people know how to save the streams and can use that to make their own mp3s.

www.pandora.com is the closest thing I know to hwat you're after, but you don't pick the songs individually in the playlist. I guess what prevents all this is copyright laws

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KenHower wrote:
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mmmmm........they do serve a purpose. Stuff like Software, im all for sharing that. They dont deserve £50 for a game and they have been charging that since long before Internet file sharing so fuck em. Its not like there is any quality control either. You can spend £50 on a game, take it home and its shit. Same for recording software. Some of it costs like £400 for a program, they can kiss it.

Unfortunately it hits bands as well



Actually....That's why they have shareware...so you can try, before you buy. I always use the trial version first....then buy it if I like it.

As for $400....You don't think the work that goes into it, deserves it?? Any idea how many man hours goes into software like Dreamweaver/Fireworks and Flash?

I really and truly, fail to see the entitlement to get something for free and not pay for it.....People buy cars all the time that they end up not liking, because they didn't do their research or for whatever reason. You don't feel entitled to a free car, but you feel entitled to a new piece of software.


I think this is more a case of how differant our countrys are and i dont mean that to try and escape being wrong on the subject but we are notorious for being ripped off here. That £400 would be more towards the $700 mark in comparison which is too much money.

I buy CD's and most DVD's so my gripe is mainly with the price of Games to be honest. The games producers will waffle on about how it cost so much to make a game yet its a tiny fraction of what it costs to make a movie and DVD's are £15.

I fail to see how any Games companys can justify £50-£60 for a game


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Most games are £35 max when they come out unless they're a big compilation.

www.last.fm is pretty good. It tracks all the music you listen too, then gives you a radio station of similar stuff. You can find great bands on it, like Spock's Beard who are awesome.


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Let me introduce you to economics 101.


Supply vs. Demand

And

Revenue streams.


A movie costs millions to make...some hundreds of millions. But the people who make the movie...don't just make money on the DVD...they make most, if not all of it back on the theatrical release. So the cost of $15, is mainly the physical cost of making the DVD, shipping, and advertising.


A video game....costs millions to make (for a large game), but the number of people buying, is much lower than that attend a movie. Therefore, the cost per unit required to earn the money to produce it, is higher. Resulting in a higher cost. Then there is the failure rate...the games that succeed, help off-set the cost of the games that fail.

Why do you think Plasma TV's are so expensive? Failure rates...for every one screen that is sold....3 failed. So you're paying for the 3 that failed in production.


Look at cars. A prototype car, can cost millions to make. So if you made just 1 car....it would cost millions to recoup the cost, because there's only 1 revenue stream. Once in production....the cost per unit goes down dramatically.

High-end software, like Autocad or ProTools...it is expensive, because demand is low...meaning they can charge more. ProTools is a perfect example....They charge more....because the average person isn't buying ProTools. They don't sell 10 million copies of ProTools.....they sell 10,000 or 20,000...or whatever. Also look at competition...there is no real competition to ProTools. So guess what? More $$.

If you wrote the software...I'm sure you'd feel a lot different.

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I see what you mean. Reading back at my post, if i had to comment on my post i would probably say "if you dont like the price dont buy. Stealing is not the answer", so i agree, i am clearly wrong on this one.

Although..............im still gonna download Porn :wink:


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django5 wrote:
Most games are £35 max when they come out unless they're a big compilation.


XBOX 360 games are £60 at the moment. I have seen it with my own eyes when i went to town the other day. It put me off buying one and i have also read that with the PS3 comming soon, Microsoft will hold the price of the system for another year.

Come on, i admit that my views can be wrong but i know the price of games in my local shop


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dimentor wrote:
I see what you mean. Reading back at my post, if i had to comment on my post i would probably say "if you dont like the price dont buy. Stealing is not the answer", so i agree, i am clearly wrong on this one.

Although..............im still gonna download Porn :wink:



LOL....cheers.

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You know....you guys also have to remember....you get taxed the FUCK out of before you even buy the item.

When I was last in the UK in 1992...I remember the VAT tax was 19%. Do you realize how much that is??

Most states in the US don't have ANY sales tax (similar to VAT) and the ones that do...it ranges from 3 to 7%.

Yes...I'll agree...60 pounds is a LOAD for a game...but take away the VAT, it's 50 pounds.

Having to pay for medical care and the "dole" puts a huge strain on the people working...which is why your economy and jobs are so stiffled. You can't compete with the world market very effectively.

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Vat is 17.5% at the moment, and yes it does suck if you want to import things from the US etc! Despite this it's often still cheaper to pay import tax (2.5% I think) + VAT to import something rather than buy in the UK. I do it for guitar parts and usually save quite a bit, even including shipping prices

Dimentor - try www.play.com www.amazon.co.uk and www.game.net (often has different prices to in store)

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KenHower wrote:
When I was last in the UK in 1992...I remember the VAT tax was 19%. Do you realize how much that is??


in Poland VAT is 22%

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Lamer wrote:
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When I was last in the UK in 1992...I remember the VAT tax was 19%. Do you realize how much that is??


in Poland VAT is 22%


Insane.

It's next to impossible to have a vibrant economy, with so few people, subsidising the people who aren't working.

You want to encourage business growth, which creates jobs...which...creates spending.

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