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Hey guys

I'm from this moment saving up to get this done but first of all have a few questions

Firstlly Jaden said this

Ant, I have done an estimate for the SSS fireman, its not a layout I would recommend when having 24 frets though, 22 is more realistic otherwise the guitar will sound weedy and thin.
otherwise its HH..


Opinions?

Secondly PGA1000 Dude said (after I requested a PGM style neck, i REALLY like my PGM neck)

you do know that the main reason for the great sound is the huge neck, right?

Have you even tried playing a fat neck? It's not harder to play, just a bit different


I'll be getting everything else exactly as paul

Same bridge, same pickups, same woods etc

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im failing to see what your asking......

yes fat necks sound MUCH better....that guitar will not work with a thin neck. theres a reason people hate ibanez and its the paper thin neck

im assuming you wont get a thick neck because you think you wont be able to play it

well my tele has a thick neck...and let me tell you. i LOVE it, actually feels liek im playing something

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im failing to see what your asking......

yes fat necks sound MUCH better....that guitar will not work with a thin neck. theres a reason people hate ibanez and its the paper thin neck

im assuming you wont get a thick neck because you think you wont be able to play it

well my tele has a thick neck...and let me tell you. i LOVE it, actually feels liek im playing something

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I don't see how it wont work with a thin neck? I'm not against getting a fat neck but there's nothing to say the guitar won't play well because it has a thin neck!

What's your opinion on the 22/24 fret issue? I don't actually understand the logic behind this so if someone could answer this it'd be much appreciated (with regards to SSS pickups sounding tinny on a 24 model)

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its simple...big fat neck...solid....big sound

small thin neck (24 frets usually = longer scale length) thin, fragile ibanez sound

ibanez have a notoriously hollow sound, which sounds EVEN worse when using single coils

so it will work, but it will sound thin

compare a les paul and an ibanez and youll see the difference

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MissMisstreater wrote:
its simple...big fat neck...solid....big sound

small thin neck (24 frets usually = longer scale length) thin, fragile ibanez sound

ibanez have a notoriously hollow sound, which sounds EVEN worse when using single coils

so it will work, but it will sound thin

compare a les paul and an ibanez and youll see the difference



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thats pretty much it, less space for pickups because there are more frets, thin necks etc etc...
most ibanez guitars are not HSH by accident, if you think that you could put 3 strat pickups in an RG and have it wound like a strat, it wont.

Ant, anything is possible as long as your willing to live with the reults.
im not ever going to say "you cant have that" but what I will do is my best to ensure that people get what they want, not what they always ask for.

that includes a particular sound...
youve seen my 24 fret SSS guitar havent you ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMCD--CT ... annel_page

that worked out ok but the sound wasnt thick..
it had the thinnest neck ive ever made and vintage output pickups..

so.. as long as you know what the result is going to be then fine..

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MissMisstreater wrote:
its simple...big fat neck...solid....big sound

small thin neck (24 frets usually = longer scale length) thin, fragile ibanez sound



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sharpant wrote:
What's your opinion on the 22/24 fret issue? I don't actually understand the logic behind this so if someone could answer this it'd be much appreciated (with regards to SSS pickups sounding tinny on a 24 model)


as already mentioned, with a 22 fret guitar you will usually have a shorter scale length, so you can put on thicker strings and have the same amount of string tension as on the 24 fret guitar.

Just ask yourself how often you are using the 23 and 24th frets, if it's not that often then you'll know how to decide if you want a 22 or a 24 fret guitar

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So the general advise I'm getting is fat neck and 22 frets :P ?

How about getting it 3/4 scale? Opinions!?

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Scale = 25.5"

Width at nut-43.5mm
Width at last fret-56.78mm
Thickness at first fret-22.5mm
Thickness at last fret-26mm

Radius- 305mmr

Can anyone tell me the PGM neck specs so i can compare them? I can't seem to find them now no sites sell them

How hard would it be Jaden to get these EXACT measurements?

Is that clear coat on the fireman that makes it so shiny? If so would you do that jaden?

Edit- How would i go about getting the same scratch plate?

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Les Pauls sound huge. Super Strat typed guitars sound great, but you will almost never hear one whose tone sounds as thick as a LP. Not to mention the sustain...

There IS a difference of playability. Your hand might get more tired if you aren't used to it at first, but that'll change after you play with it for a while. It's not like it'll really cramp your style though. I don't know where people are getting the idea that it's not very different. I mean, of course you'll get used to it after playing with it for a couple minutes, but your muscles might have to adjust.


That being said though, I've never really had any problems playing guitars with different necks.


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How comes on this video it says its a 24 3/4 scale length when it has 22 frets?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIjWrpTPXY

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sharpant wrote:
How comes on this video it says its a 24 3/4 scale length when it has 22 frets?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIjWrpTPXY


gibson les paul scale.

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sharpant wrote:

Can anyone tell me the PGM neck specs so i can compare them? I can't seem to find them now no sites sell them


You aren't looking hard enough :wink:

Form the PGM models thread http://racerxband.com/board/viewtopic.p ... 79&start=0

PGM100, PGM200, PGM300, PGM301, PGM400, PGM500, PGM800, PGM10th, PGM90th HAM. - (Catalogs either list them as having Original Wizard profile, or “PGM” profile which is listed being 1mm thicker at 1st fret. A toss up really. It’s only 1mm difference so get over it.)

Width at nut - 43mm
Width last fret - 56mm
Thickness 1st Fret - 17mm (or 18mm)
Thickness 12th Fret -20mm
Radius - 430mm

In 2005, Ibanez changed the PGM301 neck construction to 5 piece maple and walnut laminate, and also changed to neck profile. The new “Prestige” profile is as follows;
Width at nut - 43mm
Width last fret - 58mm
Thickness 1st Fret - 18mm
Thickness 12th Fret -20mm
Radius - 430mm

Also the Ibanez japan site almost always lists neck dimensions http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/page_j ... ries_id=20


I also just noticed the US site now also lists neck specs http://ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-PGM401
http://ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-PGM100RE

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Edit- How would i go about getting the same scratch plate?


Many companies that sell aftermarket pick guards will make custom guards. You would probably have to figure out the measurements of the pickguard and they will make it to your spec.


I actually prefer bigger necks. My left hand get fatigued less quickly allowing me to play comfortably for longer. At times it does make certain styles of playing a little harder, but I have plenty of other guitars lying around if I needa thin neck.

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Thanks very much for that!

I'm going to ask jaden if he'll get a proper quote to me so i can start saving for this beast

Justice do you have any idea with regards to my question on why it says

24 3/4 on the ibanez vid when it has 22 frets?

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sharpant wrote:
Justice do you have any idea with regards to my question on why it says

24 3/4 on the ibanez vid when it has 22 frets?


The number of frets and scale length are independent of each other. You can have as many frets as you like.

24 3/4 is the typical scale of most Gibson guitars. Les Pauls and SG's normally have 22 frets. There are exceptions though. I have an SG supreme with 24 frets, and a 24 3/4" scale length. I think the neck pickup is moved slightly lower than on a 22 fret model though. There are also some les paul double cutaway models with 24 frets.

25 1/4 is the typical scale length for fender and ibanez guitars. Most strats and teles only have 21 or 22 frets. Many ibanez guitars have 24.

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but shouldnt it say 22 3/4 on the ibanez video?

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Me for one plays Ibanez BECUSE of the thin neck ;)

I hate strats and les pauls for their fat necks, Les Paul is just riddicilous especially with the scale lenght that sux XD

IMO 24frets is really good while standing up... so you get a good nice space between the body and the 22fret.

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sharpant wrote:
but shouldnt it say 22 3/4 on the ibanez video?


The 24 in 24 3/4 stands for 24 inches not 24 frets.

The scale length is 24 and 3/4 inches or 24.75".

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